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An
Interview with the Architect
by
Salon Architecture (Russia)
"Salon
Press" publishing house
Architect
Ms. Nataly Eliseeva
SALON - QUESTION #1
You
have said that you don't believe in following any architectural theories
because they don't last and aren't really connected to reality. At the
same time you have created your own original style with its own principles
of planning, views on the strong connection between the architecture of
the house and its interior,realizing at the same time that a definite
idea (which each time reveals itself in unrepeatable conditions of the
surrounding space) is a base of each definite work of an architect. Don't
you think that all these views can be considered a theory for you as a
practicing architect? Could you please give a comment for this part of
your architectural creativity? Also, is such an attitude towards theory
typical for America, or is it your personal point of view?
OSHATZ-
ANSWER #1
I do not think in terms of theories or styles. Except for basic elements
of design; composition, dominance, transition identity, modulation, balance,
rhythm, harmony, etc. (elements that are basic to all design disciples)
I stay away from design theories or styles. They seem to be too transitory
and irrelevant to my work. Design theories tend to outshine their author's
performance, becoming limiting concepts, prejudicing the mind while tying
one's hands behind one's back. They are roadblocks to new ideas. While
subscribing to a particular theory of design an architect must solve problems
within the parameters of that theory; one is limited at best.
I
make a distinction between what I do and operating within a theory of
architecture. I simply involve myself with solving the problems a client
presents in a beautiful manner, not within a theory or style. How one
solves a problem and one's process does not make a theory.
Without
architectural theories the process of designing a structure remains in
its purest form, simply solving a given problem. Design becomes a process
of integrating its key ingredients…program and environment. The program
(problem to be solved) is what makes a project unique, and the seed of
a solution is found within the problem itself. An opportunity exists within
every design to develop a unique solution. The environment is the source
of a project's poetic sense. Every site has its own character; the challenge
to the architect is to capture that character and translate its spirit
into architectural poetry.
The starting point of my work is the client's program, so my first step
is to divide the program into its functional and spiritual components.
The program is more than just a set of functional requirements, technical
space allocations and relationships. It should embody the emotional needs
of the client/user.
The requirements of architecture are such that I must go beyond what the
client understands. There must be surprise, mystery, beauty and delight;
elements that make architecture rewarding to its users for a lifetime.
This is one of the primary differences between architecture and building.
It is the architect's responsibility to go beyond the mere program and
into the realm of what I call the spiritual.
The
graphic tools used to express the design program are plan, section and
elevation. To me the plan is everything. It is the expression of the client's
functional program; a beautiful translation of an idea. I find the plan
to be a simple picture of a program organized into a rhythm of usages.
In almost every project I undertake, I am asked to come up with a visual
sketch idea of what the building will look like. I'm always at a loss
and find it impossible to do. I've got to start with a floor plan. No
matter how intriguing or complex my work appears to be, I start with a
plan every time. The section is the expression of the client's spiritual
program. It brings the plan to life. It is the realization of space. The
section is a complex ordering of three-dimensional space; a play of light
and shadow, solid and voids. It is the through plan and section that one
sees the relationship of program, environment, structure, materials and
economics. The elevation is unimportant to me…it is only a skin enclosing
the internal space created by the plan and section.
Just
as there is no one answer to life's problems, due to its complex and changing
nature, there is no single solution to an architectural design challenge.
With a myriad of past experiences still within me, I try to clear my mind
of previous solutions and preconceived notions and approach design intuitively.
The design process is then an intuitive one with ideas swimming through
a sea full of the past, present and future, exploring and ordering complexities
with an emotional reason into a logical end. Intuition is what brings
a fresh new response to each architectural challenge. I strive to do the
best that I am capable of at a given point in time, knowing that the same
program would be resolved differently at another time.
SALON
- QUESTION #2
After
graduating from Arizona University in 1968 you started working for Mr.
Lloyd Wright's studio, an architect not only famous in America, but also
in Western Europe and in Russia. You didn't stay there for long and in
1971 you already started working separately. Please describe that period:
tell us what the peculiarities of Lloyd Wright's creativity where, and
in what way his influence on you is revealed.
OSHATZ
- ANSWER #2
While
going to high school for three years (from 1960 to 1963) I spent mornings
in schools and in the afternoon I worked for an architect. During this
apprenticeship I learned the technical aspects of architecture and construction.
From 1963 to 1968 I studied architecture at Arizona State University.
In the summer of 1966 and 1968 I worked for Lloyd Wright (Frank Lloyd
Wright's oldest son) in Los Angeles. Lloyd Wright was an outstanding architect
in the American tradition of organic architecture. At the time, organic
architecture was not universally appreciated in America and he was not
well known outside of the organic movement. The main thing that I learned
with Lloyd Wright was a reaffirmation of my own thinking while experiencing
someone practicing and living architecture as an art and not a business.
It reconfirmed my belief in the nature of materials and how they should
be used in a natural honest way. It reafirmed my belief that it was the
interval space that generated the architecture and that interior and exterior
space were one. But most of all, it was the enjoyment as a young man seeing
someone living their dreams. And the enjoyment of studying Louis Sullivan,
Frank Lloyd Wright, Eric Mendelshon and others in school and then to be
able to talk about these architects with someone whom personally knew
these people. It was being in the type of environment I wanted to live
in. Architecture would be my profession and the way I would live my life.
The shortness of my stay with Lloyd Wright was because of my excitement
to start on my own living, practicing and breathing architecture.
SALON
- QUESTION #3
Which
of the following principles and architectural styles do you most closely
follow:
- one
who is "designing one house for a lifetime", in other words, one who follows
one chosen style and takes that style to the point of changing from architect
to "craftsman."
- one whose views on contemporary architecture and its development changes
in the process of accumulating the experience
- one who starts each new work, new project, with new architectural ideas
What other American architects do you feel share similar views, in terms
of interpreting new ideas?
OSHATZ
- ANSWER #3
I view myself as a student of architecture always trying
to learn and knowing the next will always be my best work. Best in the
sense that although each project is different, life is a continuation
of each movement building on the previous.
Like music, architecture is not created in a vaccum. Beethoven needed
Mozart and others before him to create a Beethoven symphony. Frank Lloyd
Wright needed Louis Sullivan and others before him to create his ideas
of architecture. I see each new project as a learning experience. Some
take one idea or style and are satisfied with developing it for a lifetime.
Some prefer to stay with an idea or style for a period of time until another
idea or style comes into vogue. I prefer to look at each new project as
an opportunity to explore a new idea. Every design project has an infinite
number of ideas that can be used to come to a solution. I explore ideas
and then develop what I think is the most appropriate solution at the
time. By using the elements of design, dominance, transition, identity,
modulation, balance, rhythm, harmony and etc., I take an idea to its logical
conclusion. The next project will have its own problems to be solved and
a whole set of new ideas to explore. It is the joy of a new project; knowing
that the solution to that project is within its own program and seeing
a new idea germinate to solve that project and sharing its results.
I
think my viewpoint is shared by many architects who came out of the American
organic movement in the tradition of Louis Sullivan, Frank Lloyd Wright
and Bruce Goff.
SALON
- QUESTION #4
How
do you view the relationship between interior and exterior architecture?
What is the difference between American architecture and interiors compared
to that of Europe and Asia, i.e. Japan?
OSHATZ
- ANSWER #4
I do not make a distinction between exterior and interior
architecture. In my thinking they are one and the same. However, since
in my approach to design I begin with the interior space, the exterior
expression is a continuation or reflection of the interior space. One
cannot be changed without affecting the other. I am not very experienced
in European architecture and interior (my travel in Europe is limited).
However I am aware of differences in Japanese and American viewpoints.
In working on projects in Japan the primary difference is in the perception
of space. The Japanese think and measure space in their minds in terms
of tatami mats. Dealing with non-rectilinear spaces is a new experience
for them. However except for culture differences in planning and use of
space; like the removal of shoes, the preference to not enter a home on
the north side, a Japanese room for tea ceremony or Buddhist altar; the
perception of space is universal. In some ways it is an advantage working
in a different culture. Since everything is new to you, you look at things
with a fresh eye. Your mind is energized and you do not take things for
granted.
SALON
- QUESTION #5
You noted, that one of the peculiarities of your creativity
is a strong connection with the owner of the client. This is the main
principle for your architectural work: here an architect finds inspiration,
here new ideas and variants of their realization appear, here fresh, original
and different projects appear as a consequence of the originality and
individuality of the customers. In some way "inspiration comes from the
attention to the customer"..... So, is this concept familiar to all American
architects or is it your own tendency?
OSHATZ
- ANSWER #5
This is my own personal tendency. I think of the client,
whether it is an individual, corporation, or community, as being the reason
for the project. The client and the architect need one another. The success
of a project depends on their successful interaction. Both are needed
for true success. The architect brings the clients dreams and fantasies
into reality. The client initiates the project and makes it possible.
Ideally I hope the client can say after a project is completed, "If I
was an architect this is what I would have designed". I think this is
a familiar concept for many American architects. However I know many architects
who think of the client as a necessary evil and the enemy of creativity.
This is only an excuse for a lack of creativity.
SALON
- QUESTION #6
You described
your Miyasaka Residence as "neither Japanese nor American house...everyone
can see it in his/her own way." In my mind the question is not "What is
this house like?" There is a more interesting question concerning interconnection
and influence between two cultures - American and Japanese. What made
Mr. Miyasaka, a president of a major Japanese building company, chose
an American architect? Perhaps the answer is hidden in the background:
please tell me how that period influenced your architectural style. What
do you think about international architectural styles? Does American style
influence national architectural styles of any other countries?
OSHATZ
- ANSWER #6
Before
hiring me, Mr. Miyasaka retained four different Japanese architects over
a period of two years. His wish was to have a "Western" style house that
would provide his elderly parents the comforts of western living, yet
serve their traditional Japanese cultural ways. He also was concerned
that what he built did not look or feel out of place in his city. Since
he could not find what he wanted, he desired to look into the work of
a western architect. At about that time my work was in an exhibit in Sapporo,
Japan. Mr. Miyasaka saw this exhibit and decided to contact me. After
talking we decided that we were the right match for one another. My approach
of using materials in a natural way and the belief that the interior and
exterior are one and the same has much in common with Shintoism, the native
religion of Japan.
I
do not think in terms of style, so I cannot comment on international style.
I especially hope that a so-called American style of architecture does
not influence any other national architecture. I only hope that architecture
in one country inspires other architects to learn and achieve their best.
For
me the culture and physical environment that I build within is the source
of the project's poetic sense. Every site has its own character, the challenge
is to capture that character and translate its spirit into architectural
poetry. Instead of style, the architecture should strive for a natural
simplicity, through the understanding of the essence of a client's cultural
relationship with nature. Today with the Internet, email and instant communication
around the world, it is easy for an architect in one part of the world
to work with others. The only important ingredient is the understanding
of one another with an open mind.
SALON
- QUESTION #7
Do
you consider division of layout, planning, designing interior and landscape
designing to be imaginary? We believe that everything depends on the professionalism
of the architect and on his/her idea (which provides a completed approach
to the following creation). Is your opinion similar?
OSHATZ
- ANSWER #7
When I design I am thinking of everything that I can. Site planning,
interior and exterior architectural design, structural character, furnishing,
landscaping, etc. are all considered together. They are all one thing
in the design process. As it is all part of a central design idea. The
design develops a spirit of its own and a rhythm is development. All the
parts are created into the total. Although a project is usually a collaboration
of a number of professionals: architect, engineers, landscape architect
and sometimes an interior designer other than the architect; they all
need to work together towards the central idea. The central idea comes
from the individual architect interpreting a client's program. In the
case of the Miyasaka residence, I developed a central idea that included
the internal and external character and structural essence. Structural,
mechanical, electrical engineers and landscape architect were brought
in at the appropriate times to help carry out the design.
SALON
- QUESTION #8
There
is an illusion that your solutions in different areas (design, architecture...)
fully vanish in the style (or one can say, in the main idea): it seems
that there is no separated furniture, there is nothing that stands apart
from the complex whole, nothing hurts the harmony. Is the illusion that
no one additional element will be bearable here - truthful?
OSHATZ
- ANSWER #8
The
design rightfully appears that way because everything was designed to
be in harmony. The central idea set up a rhythm and this rhythm and the
modulation of elements always stays in balance. Although the structure
might look complex, it has a sense of simplicity in that all the parts
appear to be part of the whole. In reality just like people the Miyasaka
residence is very flexible. They are always changing and adding to their
art collection. They move and change furniture, as occasion requires.
And if family programmatic requirements change I would have no problem
adding on and remodeling. That would only be part of changing life.
SALON
- QUESTION #9
Do
you enjoy complicated works? Who do you consider yourself to be? (sentimental
rationalist or practical romantic) In the Miyasaka residence, where did
the synthesis of triangular and radial forms come from? (Two wings, going
to the sides like rays of light from the center of the composition - it
makes the house look like a flying bird.)
OSHATZ
- ANSWER #9
I
enjoy new problems to solve. Whether they are complicated or simple problems
makes no difference to me. I try to do the best that I am capable of in
a particular movement in time. I do not try to be different for the sake
of being different. If I am different, it is to make a difference.
An
architect is an artist, creator, logician of evolving aesthetic structures;
a designer of not only the visual, but also internal space. I see architecture
as a synthesis of logic and emotion, exploring and fulfilling the dreams,
fantasies and realities of my clients.
The
Miyasaka residence took its shape or form from the client's program and
site. The existing trees on the site, the path of the sun across the site
and the requirements of different internal functions needing sunlight,
determined where functions accorded on the site. The form is a result
of the rhythm created to solve the above concerns. The fact that it looks
like a flying bird is a coincidence. It is part of the human condition
that we find forms and shapes in things. It is like looking at stars in
the night, we put a few together in our minds and see the Big Dipper.
SALON
- QUESTION #10
The
client enjoyed the house: "The soul of this house merges with mine, it
makes me feel happy...." There is no better compliment than that. I wonder
what the client's parents' opinion is of the house - they live there too.
Does this house create an atmosphere of piece and quiet for them?
OSHATZ
- ANSWER #10
Mr.
Miyasaka has spoken about how the house makes him happy and said that
the house speaks to him. His father was looking for a house that would
last for years. He is the one who felt the house was very Japanese in
the tradition of a Japanese castle. This is why I said "every person will
see it through his or her own eyes". This was one of the interesting aspects
of the design. The son wanted a western style house and the father although
willing to go along wanted a Japanese spirit in the design. Mr. Miyasaka's
mother was more interested in the landscaping as the property came down
through her paternal line.
SALON
- QUESTION #11
There is wide spread
opinion in Russia that architecture and interior design are two absolutely
separated fields. As Architects are making layouts, they see their aim
is uniting functional, technical and esthetic solutions. Interior Designers
are working with the interiors. Usually these two works take place without
any mutual connection, mutual ideas, and are often conflicting.
What are your feelings
on the relationship between Architecture and Interior Design?
OSHATZ
- ANSWER #11
I
make no distinction between architectural design and interior design.
An architect, interior designer and other consultants can design a structure
in collaboration. Or an individual architect can design a structure. The
architect and interior designer both use the same basic elements of design
composition, dominance, transition identity, modulation, balance, rhythm,
harmony, etc. However for a project to be a unified art form, both architect
and interior designer need to be working from a shared central idea. We
do not think of chaos as being beautiful. A project needs to be harmonious.
Two different rhythms going at the same time will only lead to chaos.
The misperception can be made that because Russia has a hash climate there
is a definite separation of exterior and interior. This might be true
in a physical sense but in a spiritual sense when one is inside their
eye and mind wants to make a connection with nature outside. For myself
I start designing from the inside working my way out. In my work the inside
and outside become one. So it is one central idea coming from my mind.
The client or I might choose to consult with an interior designer to select
appropriate furniture or fabrics but it is team collaboration with all
striving towards the same central idea or concept.
SALON
- QUESTION #12
What will roll and
stir designs of future? Will it be fashion, the customer's taste, or the
architect's ideas? There is an opinion that there should be "more from
the customer and less from the designer." Do you agree? Perhaps you will
argue with me, but it seems that in your projects there is " a lot of
you and a bit of the customer".
OSHATZ
- ANSWER #12
I hope that the future of design is not in the hands of short-lived fashion,
style, taste or the next popular architectural theory. I hope clients
in the future would express their desires and then would desire that their
architect solve the problem presented to them in a beautiful way. I feel
each of my projects is very different from one and other. There might
be a lot of me in my designs but my clients come to me because they want
my ideas and what I have to offer. My clients have confidence and believe
in me; otherwise they would not retain me for their project.
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